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PostSubject: what did you think of the parents visit?   Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:05 am

What did you think of the perents visit between zoey's loser step dad Mr. heffer?
i thought it was insane how he stood up to Neferet like that and how zoeys mom was just going along with it.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:08 pm

i really wanted nefferet to just rip him to shreds not only with her voice but her hands. it was horrible what the step-loser did and linda isn't any better! Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:42 pm

I felt that it portrayed certain varieties of religious zealots very accurately tbh. It was amusing how well the Cast’s pegged this behavior in regards to mocking it. It was infuriating to read in the story, but that’s the reaction they were looking for. To lay bare the general cruelty of it.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:02 pm

Zoey's parents were terrible...And her mum...I thought she's smarter,I thought she will say something like: "No,that's my daughter!"... Gonk
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:08 pm

The encounter between Neferet and Zoey's step-a-hole put something into stark relief about which I had wondered since reading Marked.

I'd wondered if the People of Faith were meant to satirize and symbolize all blind religious zeal, but Neferet's point-for-point condemnation seems to be more of the basic doctrines of Christianity, which both blind zealout and thinking believer generally ascribe to, than individual interpretations which seem to breed more hatred and hypocrisy than the basic tenets.

Then again, I could be analyzing too much, hoping for material for a major essay (hehe...the more exposure HoN gets, the better). Very Happy

Also, I just started Chosen, so this interpretation could change with more reading.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:48 am

to me it shows the most mature. i believe if ur a religion fanatic and use it to live ur daily life, you should always have respect for others opinions, just because if ur at that level in ur religion, your just way more mature than others.. look at every religion out there, they all have something in it that says be nice to others who doesnt think the way u do. Well not in those exact words... but i think the way step-loser acted, clearly shows who he is, and exactly how much of a step loser he is.

I for one am mad at the mom.. i wish she would act like her old self and give zoey the attention she use to she oh sooo craves.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:22 pm

i think the parents being allowed to see their chil;dren is nice. i mean, what good parent doesn't worry about their child while they're away? more or less i think there should have been an exception for zoey's mom and the step loser. but it was sweet of her grandma to drop off her bug. too bad sylvia couldn't stay longer.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:42 pm

zoeys parents are terrible. but I think that if mr heffer dies, zoeys mother would return to be a good mom.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Sat Feb 27, 2010 4:53 pm

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zoeys parents are terrible. but I think that if mr heffer dies, zoeys mother would return to be a good mom.

Not the way Grandma described her.

According to Grandma, Zoey's mom has never thought for herself, preferring to let the men in her life define and think for her.


Thus, if Heffer died, Zoey's mom would just find another a-hole to latch onto, unless she made a conscious choice to be her own person, and another conscious choice to revive her relationship with her daughter.



On the religion question, I'd like the Casts to create another new character for HoN: a Christian who becomes a fledgling, and has to reconcile what he/she has believed for years with the apparent truth in front of him/her.

Or a minor Christian character who has the courtesy to greet Zoey with a fist-over-heart bow and a "Merry meet".
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:44 pm

I think the visit showed just how much of a close-minded person he is. If Neferet was willing enough to keep her mouth shut about his religion, he should have at least done the same thing out of respect and courtesy. I understand and agree with what she said about being in someone's house and disrespecting their religion. There's always going to be that fanatic somewhere that won't stop preaching about what they believe even if they don't set a good example. I think he's supposed to stand for those people everyone comes across in life that tries to tell us that we're going to go to hell or we believe in a false religion. Neferet was a lot nicer than what I would have been, but who knows, maybe she knew that he wanted some kind of offensive response just so he could have a reason to hate vampyres even more.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Tue Mar 16, 2010 5:53 pm

Ayla wrote:
i really wanted nefferet to just rip him to shreds not only with her voice but her hands. it was horrible what the step-loser did and linda isn't any better! Evil or Very Mad
I totally agree!!! Angry dam turd monkey Tounge
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Wed Mar 17, 2010 2:34 pm

Yea, the fact that Linda just let's him do the thinking for her is pathetic to me.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Mon May 03, 2010 11:54 pm

Gosh i was SO bad for Zoey! i thought my parents were bad, well, they're the best parents ever compared to hers. Step-looser just SUCKS. Go to hell men.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Tue May 04, 2010 1:12 am

I really do not like Zoey's step dad. He, along with others like him, are the reason I don't follow the Christian faith (no offense to any Christians here). Stevie Rae's mom was so cool.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Tue May 04, 2010 11:28 am

I understand, there's going to be extremists everywhere. You just have to take a step back and remember not everyone is like that. I was raised as a strict Christian, but I myself have a more relaxed belief of things. I believe only what feels right to me and I don't go around telling people they're wrong if they don't believe the same thing.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Tue May 04, 2010 11:36 am

That is a very good way to go. I know some absolutely wonderful people of the Christian faith, and they don't force their views on me.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Tue May 04, 2010 11:42 am

I think about the visiting from the parents,good^^
By Steavie Rae is there,that the mother happy to see her daughter;)
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Tue May 04, 2010 11:45 am

Yes, I agree completely.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Tue May 04, 2010 4:44 pm

Yeah, well, talking about faith, you know, i believe in the earth and in the human, but my grand-father is REALY catholic. Like, really i say. The prob with that is that i respect him, ect, but he don't understand why i'm not really believer and it's kinda...too much >< So, i cannot juge her step-looser about his faith, but the thing is that
1. he didn't respect the OTHERS who aren't like him
2. He's so much... like, if you're not like me your EVIL Evil or Very Mad
3. Her f-ing mother follow him like a little puppy and it's realy disappointing.

So, that's why i hate him so much.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Tue May 04, 2010 5:22 pm

I agree with you 100%
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Wed May 05, 2010 10:20 am

I agree too, I don't hate him because of what his belief is, it's how he believes. He's very rude and intolerant and I cannot stand those kinds of people. If you don't agree with them at least have some respect and keep your mouth shut.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Fri May 07, 2010 4:38 am

My sentiments exactly. When people are intolerant, that's when I don't like them.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Fri May 07, 2010 8:26 am

Yes,i agree too.
My Faith is the Islam,because im Turkey=)
Nja...lot of people thinking about my faith,thats is not good.
But im believe in my faith.....hm.
With your Grandfather...Rose-Alice,my grandfather is just.
(my GF is how your's)
Its not easy with so a grandfather......i know it'XD
Sometimes he's very friendly,but he's sometimes a little unfriendly,too.
I like him,but sometimes i dont know.^^'''
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Fri May 07, 2010 9:41 am

My parents are both Christian, but they told me to follow my own path. I went to church as a child, and as I grew older, all these priests and teachers and kids in school were constantly shoving their beliefs down my throat. I got tired of it and found a religion I am happy with. Wicca. And I have not and I will not push my beliefs on someone.
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PostSubject: Re: what did you think of the parents visit?   Fri May 07, 2010 10:17 am

I grew up Christian too. My grandma was more extreme. We couldn't have cable, a computer, or the internet because she thought it would corrupt us. I went to a Christian school from kindergarten to 8th grade and then to a Catholic high school from freshman to junior year. My grade school wasn't as bad, you could believe whatever you wanted, but you still had to learn what they teached. At my Catholic high school however, it was different. They said that they didn't mind what you believed and still had to learn what they taught, but my teachers expected me to believe it as well as learn it. I'd get into arguments with one teacher about it every class period. He told me I was wrong and that he was right and would try to preach to me during class. After 3 years of teachers like that I went to a public high school.
I don't think I have a specific religion. I believe in God, but I also believe in things that would be looked down upon in the way I was raised. I have a lot of respect for pagans and Wiccans because most Christians fail to realize a lot of our symbols and also some of the beliefs were taken from those religions. The cross and wedding ring were from pagans and also the three fold rule that my mother would always remind me about growing up.
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